2008 ap1's vs 2010 ap2's

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By Jacob L

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  1. Jacob L

    Jacob L
    Franklin, IN

    I have a set of 2008 ap1's bent 3 degrees flat and i tend to hit a bit of a fade with them but today i hit some 2010 ap2's and hit a nice high draw. Could it be that my clubs are too flat or is it the difference in the 2 clubs shafts? Im 15 and i got the ap1's bent when i was 13 so they fit me back then but idk about now.
  2. Chris R

    Chris R
    bozeman, MT

    Yes it could def. be your lie angle.. 3 degrees is a bit. Shafts could be making a bit of difference too. 

  3. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    It is the lie angle difference. A club that is too flat will cause a push or slice and one that is too upright will cause a pull or a draw. It is better to be slightly upright because you can choke down on the grip a little to hit it straight. If you're too flat or upright a straight shot will not be a clean hit and you lose distance. If you are 6' tall and have a wrist to floor height of 35", a lie angle of 62 deg for a 5 iron and 64 deg for a 9 iron is right with a standard club length. I have a set of Ping Eye 2 irons with green dot lie angle. According to Ping's fitting charts, I am supposed to use yellow dot (I tried a G15 7 iron and it faded a little bit; a green dot went dead straight). The Titleist AP1s actually fit my swing with a standard lie angle (I compared this to a set of Lynx Black Cat irons I had the lie angles adjusted on). I also constructed a set of irons 3 years ago, so I got rather intimate about the lie angles.
  4. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    I also remember that when I was 13, my height was 5'5" or so and when I was 15, I was 5'11 3/4" (which remained constant until about 2005; oddly enough during an insurance physical my height was 6'1" - must be posture). I played standard lie golf clubs basically from 9th grade thru 2006 (and that included steel shaft woods). I upgraded my woods to graphite in 2006 and added hybrids. I still hit irons pretty straight but was constantly hitting my driver and fairway woods left. In late 2008 I then started standing more upright and that straightened the woods and hybrids out but I would get a sudden onset of shankitis with the irons (would occur mid way through the round or after 45 minutes of practice; it would disappear the next day) and it got so bad that I couldn't pitch or chip (I quit playing golf for about 2 months). As a temporary fix, I constructed a 38 degree hybrid, bought a 36" 9 iron and lengthened my wedges by 1/2" (the problem was then reduced to the GW). In Feb 2009 I constructed a set of irons (5-LW) and slowly started integrating them in the golf set. Never had a problem with the sand wedge and occasionally with the 9, PW, and LW. Could not hit the 8 iron and up. This is where the lightbulb hit! I made the 9 iron, PW, and LW match the sand wedge for lie angle and length plus went to a more compact backswing (the "stack and tilt") and the problem with shankitis DISAPPEARED. I played with driver, 5 wood, 9 wood, 6 and 7 hybrids, 38 hybrid and 9-XW for a year and managed to break 90 on a regulation course. I then found out my 8 iron was 1/5 degrees flat (adjusted it to 63.5 and, voila!, dead straight). In turn I adjusted the lie angles for the 5-7 irons (62, 62.5, 63) and started hitting them better (still remained with the 5 and 6 hybrids because they are a lot less work but was able to wean myself off the 38 hybrid). I have been playing a Vokey Spin-Milled 60-07 and 64-07 since last year. Given what I learned about proper lie angles, I had both of them adjusted to 65 degrees and that was perfect. I love these two wedges! Been getting a fair share of sneaky pars and birdies with them. I also came close to breaking par on one of the exec courses (par 34 with one par 5) and recently shot 42 for 9 holes on a 3100 yard course (my average score is 44 for 9 holes). Recently I took my old Black Cat irons (hadn't used them since 2008) and adjusted the lie angles to match those of the Titleist AP1s (62 deg for 5 iron, 64 for 9 iron and 64.5 for PW). Although the distance was nothing to brag about, I hit every club dead straight and managed to shoot +2 for 9 holes on a par 30 exec course. Since then I have upgraded my irons to Eye 2 green dot lie angle and it really does feel nice to have the distance I had 20 years ago (albeit with an 85 mph swing vs 100 or so). Bottom Line: if it doesn't fit, it doesn't hit!

  5. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Correction - the 8 iron was a degree and a half flat (it originally was 62 deg). If a club is way off on the lie angle it is just about impossible to hit on anything other than a plush lie or from the tee plus the feel is horrible; furthermore, you won't get a clean hit on a straight shot. With a flat club, if you try to compensate by taking a flatter swing (i.e., standing further from the ball) you will hit a low pull; if slightly off (about a half degree), a pulled shot actually gets at least 10-20 yards vs a straight shot. Even a half a degree too upright makes a difference because the club will turn over at impact; the shot may go dead straight but will pull or hook just about all the time. With an upright club, the compensation is to choke down.

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