Your questions: 716 Irons, 816 Hybrids

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By Abby L.

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  1. Abby L.

    Abby L.
    Providence, RI

    Team Titleist Staff

    Hi Team Titleist,

    Do you have questions about the new 716 lineup of irons? Intrigued by new 816 hybrids? Well, this is your chance to get all the information you want, directly from the brilliant team members who developed these new technically advanced products. Titleist Club R&D wants to hear from you!

    Post your questions to this thread and Titleist Club R&D is going to pick 10 of their favorites to answer. So give it some thought and help us all learn more about the science, artistry and hard work that goes into creating Titleist golf clubs.

    We look forward to seeing your questions.

    All the best,

    TT

  2. Dino J

    Dino J
    Burnaby, BC

    Hi Abby... one of the things that I have contemplated from time to time regarding new product development and advancement is the following:

    When Titleist comes out with a new product such as the 716 Irons, how does Titleist decide on whether to improve the product "incrementally" or step back and do a wholesale "redesign"" or "rethink"?

    For example, the new 716 AP2 Irons ... was the thought process involved by the design team one that considered the 714 AP2 irons and how it could be improved and turned into the new 716 version? Or was there more consideration given to the idea of how can we redesign this iron from the ground up per se to make it even better?

    It seems to make sense for the most that you don't want to reinvent the wheel, but at what point do the design team decide that they have wrought all of the advancement out of a particular design and need to come up with something new (ie: like the multi-material approach in the previous generations?)

    Thanks Team Titleist! A great product and what is sure to be a great launch too!
  3. Chris Hatem

    Chris Hatem
    Boston

    Dino J said:

    Hi Abby... one of the things that I have contemplated from time to time regarding new product development and advancement is the following:

    When Titleist comes out with a new product such as the 716 Irons, how does Titleist decide on whether to improve the product "incrementally" or step back and do a wholesale "redesign"" or "rethink"?

    For example, the new 716 AP2 Irons ... was the thought process involved by the design team one that considered the 714 AP2 irons and how it could be improved and turned into the new 716 version? Or was there more consideration given to the idea of how can we redesign this iron from the ground up per se to make it even better?

    It seems to make sense for the most that you don't want to reinvent the wheel, but at what point do the design team decide that they have wrought all of the advancement out of a particular design and need to come up with something new (ie: like the multi-material approach in the previous generations?)

    Thanks Team Titleist! A great product and what is sure to be a great launch too!

    I can' answer for the RD guys but have to throw my two cents in being from an engineering background. If you are part of an iterative design cycle, each design is a trial in which you identify what worked and what didn't. For the next design you keep the features that performed well and you ditch those that may not have as much value added or you simply tweak them. If it ain't broke don't fix it! Interested to hear their response.
  4. Dino J

    Dino J
    Burnaby, BC

    Chris Hatem said:

    Hi Abby... one of the things that I have contemplated from time to time regarding new product development and advancement is the following:

    When Titleist comes out with a new product such as the 716 Irons, how does Titleist decide on whether to improve the product "incrementally" or step back and do a wholesale "redesign"" or "rethink"?

    For example, the new 716 AP2 Irons ... was the thought process involved by the design team one that considered the 714 AP2 irons and how it could be improved and turned into the new 716 version? Or was there more consideration given to the idea of how can we redesign this iron from the ground up per se to make it even better?

    It seems to make sense for the most that you don't want to reinvent the wheel, but at what point do the design team decide that they have wrought all of the advancement out of a particular design and need to come up with something new (ie: like the multi-material approach in the previous generations?)

    Thanks Team Titleist! A great product and what is sure to be a great launch too!

    Hi Chris!

    Thanks for sharing your insight. I too look forward to hearing from them on this. I do suspect that they will have taken a similar approach as you have put forth, but nonetheless, I do find it very interesting as to how the R&D folks come up with the advancements on their irons and indeed their entire product line. I guess it appeals to the inner "science nerd" and golf enthusiast in us!

    I hope this is one of the questions that they explore! - D.

  5. Chuck Z

    Chuck Z
    Mt Pleasant, SC

    Military

    What is the important changes that have been made from the 715 hybrids to the 816 hybrids.  I can see in the pictures that Mike sent out that there has been a color change, but that is no big deal.  I also noted that the the lowest loft you can get now in a 816h is a 19* versus a 18* in the 715h and a 17* with the 713h.   I would love to have a lower lofted hybrid.  I currently play a 713h 17* and play it at 16.25 and get excellent distance and use it more than my fairway.  Do you feel there will ever be a plan to go low again with the hybrids?  I will test the 19* to see how it performs.  Are the 816s longer that the 915s along with accuracy?

  6. Team Titleist Staff

    Dino J said:

    Hi Abby... one of the things that I have contemplated from time to time regarding new product development and advancement is the following:

    When Titleist comes out with a new product such as the 716 Irons, how does Titleist decide on whether to improve the product "incrementally" or step back and do a wholesale "redesign"" or "rethink"?

    For example, the new 716 AP2 Irons ... was the thought process involved by the design team one that considered the 714 AP2 irons and how it could be improved and turned into the new 716 version? Or was there more consideration given to the idea of how can we redesign this iron from the ground up per se to make it even better?

    It seems to make sense for the most that you don't want to reinvent the wheel, but at what point do the design team decide that they have wrought all of the advancement out of a particular design and need to come up with something new (ie: like the multi-material approach in the previous generations?)

    Thanks Team Titleist! A great product and what is sure to be a great launch too!

    Dino,

    We always improve our product performance as much as possible with each release.  We build off and refine what works, but as new technologies come available, we add them for even further improvement.  716 AP1 is a great example.  We used proven technology like an undercut cavity and incorporated a new, thin and fast face which provided more speed and allowed us to put in 50% more high density tungsten to lower the CG and increase MOI.  So 716 AP1 had both incremental improvements and all new design elements.

    Thanks for the question.

    Marni

  7. No'l

    No'l
    Palmdale, CA

    Hi Abby! I'm happy that we now have 716 T-MB in the US, but I'm afraid we're losing 712U. Would anyone know at this point if the 716 T-MB be offered in forged in the future? Also, will it include the 7 & 6 utility irons? Thank you.
  8. Frank J

    Frank J
    Plano, TX

    Abby Very interested to hit these. Want to see and feel the changes, upgrade and corrections to my AP 714 irons. When will demo AP1 716 irons be in pro shops and retail outlets?
  9. Steve S

    Steve S
    Tuckerton, NJ

    Hi Abby, I went ahead and bought the 915 D2 driver and the 915 F 3 wood. At that point my golf budget was gone. I was planning on the 915 hybrid as well. I think I'm glad I waited. What would be the major differences in the 915 H hybrid and the new 816 hybrid. I'm already looking at the new irons, the AP1s and the Ap2s.

    Thanks for the post and thank you Titleist for letting us ask these questions. Another reason your the number one name in golf!

    Play Well,

    Steve S.

  10. Matthew V

    Matthew V
    Visalia, CA

    Hi Abby! I love my AP1 714 irons! With the 716's being more stronger lofted, would I have a harder time getting, say, my 8 iron higher in the air? And for a mid-handicapper like me (12) would I have a harder time hitting a stronger lofted club, as I would go from a 37.5 to 36 to now 35? I do love the irons either way!

  11. Mike S

    Mike S
    Denham Springs, LA

    Matthew V said:

    Hi Abby! I love my AP1 714 irons! With the 716's being more stronger lofted, would I have a harder time getting, say, my 8 iron higher in the air? And for a mid-handicapper like me (12) would I have a harder time hitting a stronger lofted club, as I would go from a 37.5 to 36 to now 35? I do love the irons either way!

  12. BrettP

    BrettP
    Carlsbad, CA

    Team Titleist Staff

    Matthew V said:

    Hi Abby! I love my AP1 714 irons! With the 716's being more stronger lofted, would I have a harder time getting, say, my 8 iron higher in the air? And for a mid-handicapper like me (12) would I have a harder time hitting a stronger lofted club, as I would go from a 37.5 to 36 to now 35? I do love the irons either way!

    Matthew,

    You make a very good observation about the importance of loft on trajectory. 716 AP1 lofts were strengthened, but we also lowered the cg of the iron by placing 50% more tungsten low in the iron shape  The lower cg helps launch the ball higher, so 716 AP1 irons will not necessarily fly lower. A skilled fitter will evaluate your 7-iron flight with our fitting tools and make a recommendation for set make up that ensures all your irons fly at a trajectory that effectively stops on greens. They will also work to determine the best hybrid lofts for a proper gapping of your carry distances. It can be very enlightening to compare a long iron to hybrid in terms of forgiveness and consistency.

    Thanks for the question.

    - Brett

  13. Hi I really would like to Get the 816 H1, but i am not sure about what loft i should order on my club i was thinking about the 19 degree, can you help me decide which is the best loft and shaft for a mid level handicapper please?

    thanks and regards

    Terry

  14. Frank P

    Frank P
    Port St. Lucie, FL

    Military
    What is the difference between the KuroKage 65 shaft in the AP1 714 and the KuroKage 65 shaft in the AP1 716
  15. Ryan W

    Ryan W
    Southwest Harbor, ME

    Hello there, 

    My question is why did the team feel it necessary to drop the degrees of the AP1's.  Was it simply to make the claim "our longest irons yet" or was it more strategic than that?

    Thanks,

    Ryan

    and by the way, I LOVE my 714 AP1's.

  16. What will be the shafts for the 716 ap1 and weights and flex

  17. carlos  r

    carlos r
    Ridgefield park, NJ

    Abby L., Team Titleist Staff said:

    Hi Team Titleist,

    Do you have questions about the new 716 lineup of irons? Intrigued by new 816 hybrids? Well, this is your chance to get all the information you want, directly from the brilliant team members who developed these new technically advanced products. Titleist Club R&D wants to hear from you!

    Post your questions to this thread and Titleist Club R&D is going to pick 10 of their favorites to answer. So give it some thought and help us all learn more about the science, artistry and hard work that goes into creating Titleist golf clubs.

    We look forward to seeing your questions.

    All the best,

    TT

    .  I have 714 AP2  with Project X flighted 5.0 shafts ... I like to know which shaft you recommend when I order 716 AP2 

  18. Chuck Z

    Chuck Z
    Mt Pleasant, SC

    Military

    To increase distance on the new AP1 irons I see that the lofts have been juiced two degrees on most of the irons. Other than that, what do you attribute the additional distance to?

  19. Team Titleist Staff

    Chuck Z said:

    To increase distance on the new AP1 irons I see that the lofts have been juiced two degrees on most of the irons. Other than that, what do you attribute the additional distance to?

    Chuck,

    Even though 716 AP1 has stronger lofts (only 1 degree from 714) what you will find is that the long iron launch is similar and not lower.  More carry distance comes from more ball speed and optimized trajectory.  Some manufacturers have chosen longer club lengths, in hopes of increasing clubhead speed to help increase launch to support stronger long iron lofts.  Problem is, that when you make long irons another 0.5-0.625" longer, they become harder to hit, and the length benefit is negated.  We have chosen to keep our club lengths the same and achieve a better combination of ball speed, launch and spin, by better cg positioning (lower and more centered in the long irons) and extremely high MOI for ball speed off-center.  Our low cg and thin, fast face also provide more speed and allow us to essentially maintain launch angle at the stronger loft (yielding more distance).  The maximum MOI keeps your distance more consistent across the face by keeping the head as stable as possible at impact.

    Thanks.

    Marni

  20. Q

    Q
    Atlanta, GA

    I had the 680 irons for the longest time but have been playing the 712 MB's for a couple years because I wanted a more "modern blade", whatever that's supposed to mean. The 716 MB is obviously inspired by the 680, but what specific differences make it more of a modern blade?

  21. sean k

    sean k
    Rochester, NY

    Good evening I am definitely interested in getting Titleist back in my bag for irons. I last had 714 ap2 with lbs c taper shafts. I switched to miur passing points with matrix program shafts to keep the ball flight low. Which Titleist irons and shafts should I be looking at to give me the best forged feel and hopefully keep the flight down a bit as I have a tendency to scoop it somewhat. Thank you
  22. Terry T

    Terry T
    Canton, GA

    Abby, what are the differences between the new 716 AP2's and the AP2's irons that I bought 5-6 years ago?  By the specs, do they hit the ball that much farther or better? The ones that I bought new came with the Project X Rifle 5.5 shafts. Lately the new models that I have seen coming to the stores are fitted with Dynamic Gold shafts. Why the change? Personally, I like the looks of the smooth Rifle shafts over bumpy Dynamic Gold's.

  23. Garrison M

    Garrison M
    Hiddenite, NC

    Abby, I have been wondering whether the new T-MB irons are more of a utility type of iron and are only available in 2-5 irons or do they come in a whole set as like 3-W? I was a little confused by the advertisements because they're kind of made out to be and described as a utility but I have seen photos of a 9 iron in this particular model. I really hope they are available in all iron lofts, I will for sure get my a set. Thank you Abby! Have a great day! TEAM TITLEIST

    --Garrison M 

  24. Greetings, 

    I am currently playing with AP1 714, after playing with AP2's for several years.  I would like to play a mixed set of AP1/AP2 but I am not sure how to reconcile the lofts and blend into one set.  My set comp would be AP1:  5, 6, 7 and AP2 would be 8, 9, PW and W.   When looking at the lofts, I could see having a 7 iron from each set which would spread out the lofts.  I am a 6 handicap.

    What is your suggestion? 

    Thanks, 

    Richard

  25. Alex P

    Alex P
    Fullerton, CA

    when are you accepting order's for the 716 line?

  26. Abby this coming spring I was hoping to upgrade myself to titleist irons and was wondering what a 4 handicap should look for. I am mostly in the market for blades. I wish the best for team titleist

  27. Hi there,

    On a few of the online retailers I see the 816 H2 only being offered in 19 and 21 degree lofts and not the 23 or 25. Just wondering as I prefer the H2 but would like it in 23 degrees. Anyone know if all 4 lofts will be available in left handed?

    Thanks

  28. Hello,

    Last time with the AP1 714 it was impossible to get them with a graphite shaft with getting 4-PW, you could only get them 5-GW. Will it be possible to get the AP1 716 with a graphite shaft 4-PW?

    Thanks

  29. davidjohn.hailey

    davidjohn.hailey
    Mebane, NC

    Any info about the bounce on the TMB, CB, and AP2 would be greatly appreciated. 

  30. Darian I

    Darian I
    Williamsburg, VA

    Abby L., Team Titleist Staff said:

    Hi Team Titleist,

    Do you have questions about the new 716 lineup of irons? Intrigued by new 816 hybrids? Well, this is your chance to get all the information you want, directly from the brilliant team members who developed these new technically advanced products. Titleist Club R&D wants to hear from you!

    Post your questions to this thread and Titleist Club R&D is going to pick 10 of their favorites to answer. So give it some thought and help us all learn more about the science, artistry and hard work that goes into creating Titleist golf clubs.

    We look forward to seeing your questions.

    All the best,

    TT

    Hi, In early 2014, I was fitted by the Titleist Tour Van for Dynalite Gold XP 95 S300 shafts, 1/2 inch short, in my 714 AP2 irons. 

    My question is: I'm now ordering the 716 AP2s. Can I assume that the same shafts should, in theory, produce the same results with the new irons?  I could get fit again, but it would be by a local fitter and not the Tour Van, so I probably have more confidence in the 2014 fitting.  But is there anything different enough about the 716 AP2s that it would be a good idea to get refit?

    Thanks! Darian

  31. BrettP

    BrettP
    Carlsbad, CA

    Team Titleist Staff

    Darian I said:

     Hi, In early 2014, I was fitted by the Titleist Tour Van for Dynalite Gold XP 95 S300 shafts, 1/2 inch short, in my 714 AP2 irons. 

    My question is: I'm now ordering the 716 AP2s. Can I assume that the same shafts should, in theory, produce the same results with the new irons?  I could get fit again, but it would be by a local fitter and not the Tour Van, so I probably have more confidence in the 2014 fitting.  But is there anything different enough about the 716 AP2s that it would be a good idea to get refit?

    Thanks! Darian

    Darian,

    Thanks for considering new 716 AP2 irons - you are correct that the same shafts should produce a very similar feel, especially when you are making a change from 714 AP2's to 716 AP2's. I do suggest this is an opportunity to re-evaluate shaft choices and make sure that your "gamer" shaft remains the best choice. Swing, body and feel preferences change over time and it's best to at least confirm that your existing shaft is still the best for you. Click here (http://www.titleist.com/find-a-golf-shop/) to find a local fitter or call Team Titleist at 888-TITLEIST. I trust that you will find the new irons even better than your current set.

    - Brett

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